VIRUS exgirl_friend_masturbating 3263

exgirl_friend_masturbating

dTU7_--"5?tI)&+lHeoDCmwCey_

Grinder

2003-12-15 16:46:44 UTC

DON'T OPEN THE ATTACHMENT - it contains a virus. His ISP is Road Runner in
Herndon VA. Forward his post to ***@rr.com. They will suspend his
account. Unfortunately his account has been suspended before and he starts
posting viruses after he opens up a new account.

exgirl_friend_masturbating

dTU7_--"5?tI)&+lHeoDCmwCey_

Walter Driedger

2003-12-16 02:21:17 UTC

Perhaps this is off topic, but WHY would anyone waste their time like this.
There is also a risk of getting caught. The average bank hold-up artist
gets at least a couple of hundred bucks for his trouble.

Walter.

Cameron Dorrough

2003-12-16 03:28:56 UTC

Post by Walter Driedger
Perhaps this is off topic, but WHY would anyone waste their time like this.
There is also a risk of getting caught. The average bank hold-up artist
gets at least a couple of hundred bucks for his trouble.

They just do it for kicks, Walter. They're just kids (or kids
intellectually) who enjoy the "power" they get from wasting other people's
time, effort, bandwidth, etc. on a *global* scale.

The best response is to simply ignore it (and all other like-minded childish
pranks).

Cameron:-)

Herman Family

2003-12-16 07:23:32 UTC

it gets a little more fun than them being kids and childish. There is an
odd set of accomplishment knowing that someone, somewhere is having to deal
with what you put together, and that in that particular case you know more
about their problem than they do. Also, there is the thrill of getting
recognized by the antivirus wizards, and even getting to see your totals on
the microtrends map. Going further, there is the thrill of finding new and
interesting ways to make the computers do what you want them to do, even if
the OS programmers never intended for it.

It's basically a big mental battle of virus writer versus the establishment.
Many viruses are never released except to antivirus companies and to
Microsoft. These are used to demonstrate some OS failing that someone
finds.

I'm not saying I condone all this, but after dealing with more than a few
hacker types (both good and bad), I've seen how they work out.

Michael

Post by Cameron Dorrough

Post by Walter Driedger
Perhaps this is off topic, but WHY would anyone waste their time like

this.

Post by Walter Driedger
There is also a risk of getting caught. The average bank hold-up artist
gets at least a couple of hundred bucks for his trouble.

They just do it for kicks, Walter. They're just kids (or kids
intellectually) who enjoy the "power" they get from wasting other people's
time, effort, bandwidth, etc. on a *global* scale.
The best response is to simply ignore it (and all other like-minded childish
pranks).
Cameron:-)

Grinder

2003-12-16 15:34:53 UTC

Post by Cameron Dorrough

Post by Walter Driedger
Perhaps this is off topic, but WHY would anyone waste their time like

this.

Post by Walter Driedger
There is also a risk of getting caught. The average bank hold-up artist
gets at least a couple of hundred bucks for his trouble.

They just do it for kicks, Walter. They're just kids (or kids
intellectually) who enjoy the "power" they get from wasting other people's
time, effort, bandwidth, etc. on a *global* scale.
The best response is to simply ignore it (and all other like-minded childish
pranks).
Cameron:-)

No the best response is to report his abuse so his account gets suspended.
All it takes is one idiot to open the attachment, infect his computer and
send out a few hundred e-mails an hour for a month or so.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-19 16:39:53 UTC

that's the other problem...people open the attachment, and then their
machines are zombies. So many twits out there never update their virus defs,
so they have no idea they're infected...

Remove the smirking chimp from email address to reply.

Post by Cameron Dorrough

Post by Walter Driedger
Perhaps this is off topic, but WHY would anyone waste their time like

this.

Post by Walter Driedger
There is also a risk of getting caught. The average bank hold-up artist
gets at least a couple of hundred bucks for his trouble.

They just do it for kicks, Walter. They're just kids (or kids
intellectually) who enjoy the "power" they get from wasting other people's
time, effort, bandwidth, etc. on a *global* scale.
The best response is to simply ignore it (and all other like-minded

childish

Post by Cameron Dorrough
pranks).
Cameron:-)

John Woodgate

2003-12-19 17:22:19 UTC

I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
<***@georgebush.visi.com> wrote (in <tRFEb.169100$***@twister.rd
c-kc.rr.com>) about 'VIRUS exgirl_friend_masturbating 3263', on Fri, 19

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Remove the smirking chimp from email address to reply.

You have a smirking chip called Visi?

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Steve Scott

2003-12-19 18:59:53 UTC

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:22:19 +0000, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
c-kc.rr.com>) about 'VIRUS exgirl_friend_masturbating 3263', on Fri, 19

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Remove the smirking chimp from email address to reply.

You have a smirking chip called Visi?

My thoughts exactly.

--
I do this kind of stuff to him all
through the picture.

Spehro Pefhany

2003-12-19 19:18:14 UTC

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 18:59:53 GMT, the renowned Steve Scott

Post by Steve Scott
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 17:22:19 +0000, John Woodgate

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
c-kc.rr.com>) about 'VIRUS exgirl_friend_masturbating 3263', on Fri, 19

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Remove the smirking chimp from email address to reply.

You have a smirking chip called Visi?

My thoughts exactly.

I finally found a rendering of a messet, and now this?

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Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

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Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-20 16:22:49 UTC

The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
c-kc.rr.com>) about 'VIRUS exgirl_friend_masturbating 3263', on Fri, 19

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Remove the smirking chimp from email address to reply.

You have a smirking chip called Visi?
--
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http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk

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John Woodgate

2003-12-20 18:14:40 UTC

I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
<***@georgebush.visi.com> wrote (in <tH_Eb.170956$***@twister.r
dc-kc.rr.com>) about 'VIRUS exgirl_friend_masturbating 3263', on Sat, 20

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

How terribly disrespectful.

Walter Driedger

2003-12-20 18:42:20 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Esteemed by some. He got you into a war he can't get you out of. The rest
of the world says, "We told you so."

Steve Scott

2003-12-21 05:25:54 UTC

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 18:42:20 GMT, "Walter Driedger"

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Esteemed by some. He got you into a war he can't get you out of. The rest
of the world says, "We told you so."

Yawn. Another murderous, terrorist supporting, dictator supporter.

Good thing GWB isn't looking for the whole world's approval. 60
countries is enough.

--
Bill Clinton thinks that Cheerios are
donut seeds.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-21 15:44:30 UTC

You mean Bush supporters? ;)
You're an Afghani peasant and had no control over the 9/11 events. A 2000 #
bomb falls on your house and kills your entire family. In your eyes, who is
the terrorist and the murderer? GHWB was instrumental in giving Saddam his
chemical weapons in the mid 80s when he was fighting Iran. Osama was a CIA
asset during the Afghan-Soviet war. Where do you think they got their
Stinger missiles?
<snip>
Yawn. Another murderous, terrorist supporting, dictator supporter.

Post by Steve Scott
Good thing GWB isn't looking for the whole world's approval. 60
countries is enough.
--
Bill Clinton thinks that Cheerios are
donut seeds.

bill

2003-12-22 00:42:29 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
You mean Bush supporters? ;)
You're an Afghani peasant and had no control over the 9/11 events. A 2000 #
bomb falls on your house and kills your entire family. In your eyes, who is
the terrorist and the murderer? GHWB was instrumental in giving Saddam his
chemical weapons in the mid 80s when he was fighting Iran. Osama was a CIA
asset during the Afghan-Soviet war. Where do you think they got their
Stinger missiles?

Lesser of two evils at the time. I remember the planes flying into the
towers. You can take the terrorists side all you like. People like you
should move to a country you like better. You sure as hell don't like the
US and we don't want you.
Choose a side or shut up.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 00:57:21 UTC

You pay for my ticket out and I'll leave tomorrow.
Your move.

bill

2003-12-22 01:28:04 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
You pay for my ticket out and I'll leave tomorrow.
Your move.

Cuba or North Korea? Departure airport? You do know it's one way?
Have your passport?
Pack your bags sweety. Daddy's buying.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 01:59:24 UTC

Cuba. (it's warmer there) Depart MSP, route thru canada, I'll score the
passport. More than fine on the one-way thing.

Post by Amelia M. Samples
You pay for my ticket out and I'll leave tomorrow.
Your move.

Cuba or North Korea? Departure airport? You do know it's one way?
Have your passport?
Pack your bags sweety. Daddy's buying.

Walter Driedger

2003-12-21 22:18:00 UTC

Post by Steve Scott
Yawn. Another murderous, terrorist supporting, dictator supporter.

Why do you talk like that? I'm a "murderous, terrorist supporting, dictator
supporter"? Actually, I'm from the country that provided safe landing for
hundreds of your airplanes, and food and shelter for tens of thousands of
YOUR countrymen after 9/11. It was OUR troops that got the Congressional
Medal of Honor after being bombed by YOUR state militia in Afghanistan.
(They don't talk about that a lot on CNN, do they?)

We are your neighbors. We tried to give you some very sound advice and
tried to keep you out of trouble. In our schools they teach the kids,
"Friends don't let their friends drive drunk." Friends also don't encourage
their friends to get involved in unwinnable wars. If we were your enemies
we would have said, "Go for it."

Post by Steve Scott
Good thing GWB isn't looking for the whole world's approval. 60 countries

is enough.

There are no 60 countries supporting you. The "coalition of the willing"
consists of two. But there are 50 who got bribed and bullied into claiming
they support you. They are not your friends. That leaves about eight
lukewarm.

Post by Steve Scott
--
Bill Clinton thinks that Cheerios are donut seeds.

Smart ass comments won't help you. You know that.

Walter.

Steve Scott

2003-12-21 22:57:29 UTC

On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 22:18:00 GMT, "Walter Driedger"

Post by Steve Scott
Yawn. Another murderous, terrorist supporting, dictator supporter.

Why do you talk like that? I'm a "murderous, terrorist supporting, dictator
supporter"? Actually, I'm from the country that provided safe landing for

You're either for bringing down thugs like Saddam or you're not.
Pretty straight forward.

Post by Walter Driedger
hundreds of your airplanes, and food and shelter for tens of thousands of
YOUR countrymen after 9/11. It was OUR troops that got the Congressional
Medal of Honor after being bombed by YOUR state militia in Afghanistan.
(They don't talk about that a lot on CNN, do they?)

Don't know about CNN, but I'm well aware of the incident. It was
tragic but sometimes bad things happen in war.

Post by Walter Driedger
We are your neighbors. We tried to give you some very sound advice and
tried to keep you out of trouble. In our schools they teach the kids,
"Friends don't let their friends drive drunk." Friends also don't encourage
their friends to get involved in unwinnable wars. If we were your enemies
we would have said, "Go for it."

Fighting terrorism is NOT an unwinnable war. As other regimes learn
the results of supporting terrorism, the terrorists will lose more and
more of their safe havens.

Time will tell if it's a ruse or not but it may be that Muammar
Qaddafi is among the first.

Post by Steve Scott
Good thing GWB isn't looking for the whole world's approval. 60 countries

is enough.
There are no 60 countries supporting you. The "coalition of the willing"
consists of two. But there are 50 who got bribed and bullied into claiming
they support you. They are not your friends. That leaves about eight
lukewarm.

There are certainly more than two actively providing support. But
then never let facts get in the way.

Post by Steve Scott
--
Bill Clinton thinks that Cheerios are donut seeds.

Smart ass comments won't help you. You know that.

And that was a tagline, but you knew that.

--
I have enough trouble single-tasking!

bill

2003-12-22 00:54:37 UTC

Post by Steve Scott
Yawn. Another murderous, terrorist supporting, dictator supporter.

Choose a side or shut up. We want to know where our neighbors stand.

Sitting on your ass pontificating won't stop terrorists or terrorism.
Appeasement isn't an answer. Dead terrorists are the answer and we are
winning.
Pacifists are encouraged to go "talk" to the terrorists. They like dead
pacifists.

Post by Steve Scott
Good thing GWB isn't looking for the whole world's approval. 60 countries

is enough.
There are no 60 countries supporting you. The "coalition of the willing"
consists of two. But there are 50 who got bribed and bullied into claiming
they support you. They are not your friends. That leaves about eight
lukewarm.

You are with us or you aren't. Terrorism will be stopped. After the last
couple of months the "coalition of the willing" is very willing.
Ask the countries the terrorists have bombed. Grow up. Evil people like
these only understand a bullet to the head. You should be thankful men and
women are willing to do this for your sorry ass.

Emi M Briet

2003-12-23 05:36:16 UTC

Post by Walter Driedger
There are no 60 countries supporting you. The "coalition of the willing"
consists of two. But there are 50 who got bribed and bullied into claiming
they support you. They are not your friends. That leaves about eight
lukewarm.

Funny....terrorists don't hit Canada...hmm....I wonder why... ;)

Also, remember the Swiss never got invaded in WW2...hmm...I wonder
why... ;)

Maybe it's because Canada and Switzerland don't try to play 'alpha male'
with the world like Germany did in 1939 and the US is doing right now.

--Emi

bill

2003-12-23 14:09:49 UTC

Post by Emi M Briet
Funny....terrorists don't hit Canada...hmm....I wonder why... ;)

The don't let Arabs into the country?

Post by Emi M Briet
Also, remember the Swiss never got invaded in WW2...hmm...I wonder
why... ;)

That where they make the chocolate. Nobody would hit that.

Don Ocean

2003-12-23 18:20:53 UTC

Emi M Briet wrote:
Funny....terrorists don't hit Canada...hmm....I wonder why... ;)

Post by Emi M Briet
Also, remember the Swiss never got invaded in WW2...hmm...I wonder
why... ;)

Hitler threatened to..Switzerland closed its borders and said the fight
would
be to the last drop of Swiss blood. Diplomats got the border open by
promising
Switzerland free access to all seaports for its chocolate imports. Also
to supply
Switzerland with all the coal it needed if it would manufacture
Sschmeizer (sp)
machine pistols. Switzerland refused, but did agree to make single
machine parts.
In 1944 Truman ordered Switzerland to stop. The Swiss could not and
would not.
They were our lifeline to the POW's. So Truman Sequestered all the funds
the Swiss
had sent to the US when Hitler threatened them. Those funds were not
rturned
until 1949.. The Swiss are still a bit pissed over that. Switzerland has
a machine gun in everyhouse along with every male is in the reserves
until age 58.
In History Switzerland was the most mercenary nation on earth. They
still have
the Swiss Guard at the Vatican. Switzerlands constitution is word for
word the
American constitution. The Swiss and the Finns cannot be easily overrun
due
to well trained troops and their rugged terrain. They have logistics
stored for
30 years worth of war.

Post by Emi M Briet
Maybe it's because Canada and Switzerland don't try to play 'alpha male'
with the world like Germany did in 1939 and the US is doing right now.
--Emi

Steve Scott

2003-12-23 20:19:23 UTC

Post by Emi M Briet

Funny....terrorists don't hit Canada...hmm....I wonder why... ;)

Couldn't find it?

Post by Emi M Briet
Also, remember the Swiss never got invaded in WW2...hmm...I wonder
why... ;)

Could it have anything to do with the Swiss being in bed with the
German's illegal confiscation of Jewish wealth both before and after
their mass murders?

Post by Emi M Briet
Maybe it's because Canada and Switzerland don't try to play 'alpha male'
with the world like Germany did in 1939 and the US is doing right now.

There is NO comparison between Nazi Germany and the US. I'm sure this
was a slip of the finger.

--
Though this be madness,yet there is
method in't...Shakespeare, Hamlet

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 22:36:28 UTC

Post by Steve Scott
There is NO comparison between Nazi Germany and the US. I'm sure this
was a slip of the finger.

That's a bit much. We're getting closer and closer. Homeland...Fatherland.
PATRIOT act...Enabling Acts...detention camps for "undesirables" of the Arab
type, detention camps for "undesirables" of the
Jewish/Gypsy/handicapped/gay/name your other group...I've seen this show
before...but this time it's in color with 5.1 surround sound. I'll take my
chances with all the terrorists in the world rather than having my civil
liberties infringed upon in even the SLIGHTEST capacity. Wake up - as our
civil liberties slip away, that only means the terrorists win.
xo-xo-xo
me

bill

2003-12-22 00:37:11 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Esteemed by some. He got you into a war he can't get you out of. The rest
of the world says, "We told you so."

The rest of the world has usually been on the losing side of history.
Appeasement never works. History says so.

Steve Scott

2003-12-20 23:53:51 UTC

Ahhh, you're just jealous cause he kicked your guy's butt in FL.

On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:22:49 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
c-kc.rr.com>) about 'VIRUS exgirl_friend_masturbating 3263', on Fri, 19

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Remove the smirking chimp from email address to reply.

You have a smirking chip called Visi?
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Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-21 15:24:55 UTC

Actually, I will admit that I voted for him. I was happy with the way things
were going (except campaign finance reform) before 9/11. I don't find it
disrespectful at all...he is a public fibber (I mean figure) that is open to
criticism of any kind that does not involve a threat...that either let 9/11
happen for political advantage, had a hand in it himself, or NOTA, but is
still milking it for everything he can. Think Reichstag fire...."Homeland
Security"...the "Enabling Acts"....rounding up Arabs...you know the rest. I
wouldn't have voted for Gore if I had a gun to my head...anyone who thinks
that "the internal combustion engine is the greatest threat the world faces"
doesn't deserve the highest office in the land - I could smell the executive
orders coming if he had been put in...any way, I'm with the "we told you so"
folks now...and can only hope that he and the rest of his friends require
the services of a moving company in January, 2005. Crawford is missing it's
village idiot...although I question whether they would want him back, I'm
voting for "return to sender".
Forever Libertarian,
me

Post by Steve Scott
Ahhh, you're just jealous cause he kicked your guy's butt in FL.
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003 16:22:49 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
c-kc.rr.com>) about 'VIRUS exgirl_friend_masturbating 3263', on Fri, 19

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Remove the smirking chimp from email address to reply.

You have a smirking chip called Visi?
--
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bill

2003-12-22 00:34:51 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Clinton is gone. Leave him be.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 01:04:38 UTC

well...as I have stated, I was using it in reference to Bush, but I have
been reconsidering. I don't want to insult the chimps...they never killed
anyone, spent hundreds of billions of dollars in idiotic pursuits, or lied
daily to the American people. Let's say for one minute that the official
story of the terror attacks is true. They don't hate us because we have
shopping malls, SUVs and Britney Spears (ok, the last one is
debatable)...they hate us because we're fucking around in their backyards.
Watch 13 days..."The big Red Dog is digging in our backyard, and we are
justified in shooting it"...they see the big red, white, and blue dog
digging in their backyard. If we went back to sensible non-interference, and
let the 3rd rate dictators of the world just fight eachother, we wouldn't
have people flying planes into buildings. As an aside, the chair of the 9/11
commission has already stated, on the record that the attacks, could have
and should have been prevented. More testimony is going to be released after
the new year. At bare minimum, that points to criminal negligence. And I'll
close with a question...Where are Iraq's WMD?

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Clinton is gone. Leave him be.

bill

2003-12-22 01:25:56 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
anyone, spent hundreds of billions of dollars in idiotic pursuits, or lied
daily to the American people.

You definitely mean Clinton.

Let's say for one minute that the official

Post by Amelia M. Samples
story of the terror attacks is true. They don't hate us because we have
shopping malls, SUVs and Britney Spears (ok, the last one is
debatable)...they hate us because we're fucking around in their backyards.

You should read what Bin Laden said.

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Watch 13 days..."The big Red Dog is digging in our backyard, and we are
justified in shooting it"...they see the big red, white, and blue dog
digging in their backyard. If we went back to sensible non-interference, and
let the 3rd rate dictators of the world just fight eachother, we wouldn't
have people flying planes into buildings.

Ignoring history dooms us to repeat it. Fortunately we're nipping "3rd rate
dictators of the world" in the bud.

As an aside, the chair of the 9/11

Post by Amelia M. Samples
commission has already stated, on the record that the attacks, could have
and should have been prevented. More testimony is going to be released after
the new year. At bare minimum, that points to criminal negligence.

Back to Clinton I see. His gutting of the military and other areas directly
precipitated 9/11. Appeasement didn't work while Clinton sold us down the
river with illegal technology transfers, etc.

And I'll

Post by Amelia M. Samples
close with a question...Where are Iraq's WMD?

Probably in the next hole we uncover.
Must have ruined your day when Saddam was discovered.

Why don't you read a few books or talk to a few servicemen. Better yet don't.
Why ruin your perceptions with facts.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 02:18:48 UTC

I have plenty of facts on my side.
1. The towers fell at free-fall speed. IOW, the ENTIRE structure collapsed
from the bottom up, not at the site of the impacts. Controlled Demolition.
2. 7 WTC. Not hit by a plane. Major fire. Structure collapsed evenly,
smoothly, and completely. Another controlled demolition.
3. The pentagon hit. The aircraft made a descending 270 degree turn, flying
at a speed between 400-500MPH. The targeting was so precise that the lawn
wasn't even gouged. If the pilot of that aircraft was deemed incompetent to
fly a Cessna 172, how could he have pulled off such a manuver? Playing
flight sim at home doesn't give you that kind of skill.
4. Prior to 9/11, NO high-rise steel/concrete building had EVER collapsed
from fire. Not one. On 9/11, we had 3 within 12 hours.
5. Kerosene (WTC 1 and 2) or diesel (WTC 7) doesn't burn hot enough even
under ideal conditions to melt or significantly weaken structural steel.
6. Most of said kerosene was consumed in the initial fireballs, the fires in
the structures were not hot enough to do significant structural damage. A)
even assuming the fuel was burned at a stoichiometric ratio on one floor
(thus creating the maximum possible heat load) there simply wasn't enough
energy available to melt/weaken the steel. B) A significant portion of said
fuel was consumed outside of the buildings at impact (especially on the
second hit, and the second hit caused the first fall? C) They appeared to be
very large, powerful explosions, but were not. The big, Hollywood style
fireball is a low velocity deflagration, not a high brissance detonation.
7. There were pools of MOLTEN steel found after ~100 DAYS at Ground Zero.
8. The firefighter's audio tapes repeatedly state that even the floors
directly hit were "controllable".
9. 2 or more distinct seismic spikes per collapse, not one.
10. Gravitational energy did not provide enough of a source to pulverize the
concrete to 10-60 micron size reported, cause the pyroclastic expansion of
the cloud, and cause a reddish-orange flare in the collapse shots.

Visit physics911.org for more info. Most of the info on this site comes from
physics professors at respectable US institutions.

It didn't ruin my day when saddam was caught, I just don't think it was
worth over $100bn and the loss of life on both sides. Besides, there is NO
provable link between AQ and Saddam. The Bush administration has even
admitted it. AQ is a Muslim Fundimental group, Saddam was a secularist. That
would be like the Southern Baptists joining a pro-choice march. The
yellowcake story was a LIE. The 45 minute readiness claim was a LIE. Think
about it. If you were Saddam, and you were being overrun, if you had NBC
arms, wouldn't you use them...after all, that's what he was purportedly
making them for. I don't support Saddam, but I don't support a war that was
sold to the public on shaky at best evidence. You are the one that needs to
read your history. Did you know that FDR knew the Japanese fleet was
steaming for Pearl Harbour and he recalled the Pacific fleet, without
warning the commanders? The codes had been broken. The messages had been
intercepted. Yet, the fleet was hung out to dry. The US government is not
lily-white by any stretch of the imagination.

Post by Amelia M. Samples
anyone, spent hundreds of billions of dollars in idiotic pursuits, or lied
daily to the American people.

You definitely mean Clinton.
Let's say for one minute that the official

You should read what Bin Laden said.

Ignoring history dooms us to repeat it. Fortunately we're nipping "3rd rate
dictators of the world" in the bud.
As an aside, the chair of the 9/11

Post by Amelia M. Samples
close with a question...Where are Iraq's WMD?

Probably in the next hole we uncover.
Must have ruined your day when Saddam was discovered.
Why don't you read a few books or talk to a few servicemen. Better yet don't.
Why ruin your perceptions with facts.

bill

2003-12-22 04:20:42 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I have plenty of facts on my side.

snipped crap

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Visit physics911.org for more info. Most of the info on this site comes from
physics professors at respectable US institutions.

Pure horse shit. Ever seen a 747 crash? There is nothing but a gash in the
ground and debris. Pentagon theory is crap. It happened and it wasn't a
government plot. Get real.

Post by Amelia M. Samples
It didn't ruin my day when saddam was caught, I just don't think it was
worth over $100bn and the loss of life on both sides.

Short sighted limited view of the world. Sad.

Besides, there is NO

Post by Amelia M. Samples
provable link between AQ and Saddam. The Bush administration has even
admitted it. AQ is a Muslim Fundimental group, Saddam was a secularist. That
would be like the Southern Baptists joining a pro-choice march. The
yellowcake story was a LIE. The 45 minute readiness claim was a LIE. Think
about it. If you were Saddam, and you were being overrun, if you had NBC
arms, wouldn't you use them...after all, that's what he was purportedly
making them for. I don't support Saddam, but I don't support a war that was
sold to the public on shaky at best evidence.

Based on available intel democrats and republicans called for Saddam's head.
After Clinton gutted intelligence it's a wonder we could reconstitute it as
fast as we did.

You are the one that needs to

Post by Amelia M. Samples
read your history. Did you know that FDR knew the Japanese fleet was
steaming for Pearl Harbour and he recalled the Pacific fleet, without
warning the commanders?

Proof?

The codes had been broken. The messages had been

Post by Amelia M. Samples
intercepted. Yet, the fleet was hung out to dry. The US government is not
lily-white by any stretch of the imagination.

True but wacko theorys aren't proof. Based on the trash you are reading I
suspect you are too far gone to recognize reality.
Get some help. Talk to someone at work or school.
Church is good.
Everything you read on the internet isn't true.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 05:01:05 UTC

Visit airdisaster.com. There are plenty of crash photos that leave
identifiable wreckage. Think Pan Am 103. That aircraft was blown to pieces
by a bomb, and it still came down from 30,000+ feet as very recognizable
pieces of a 747. Anyway, your argument is not at all relevant...since the
buildings collapsed on the plane wreckage. Church? Who's living in the
fantasy world now? I don't believe in talking sky daddies...and I know that
not everything on the net is true. However, some of it is, and if you can't
realize the Tee Vee "news" for the pure prolefeed that it is...I feel sorry
for you. There have been quite a few books written on foreknowledge of the
Pearl Harbor attacks...just go to amazon.com and search for "pearl harbor
attack". Your library should have copies of at least some of the books,
unless they've been burned. Go back to your two minute hate...and I'll await
my plane ticket.

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I have plenty of facts on my side.

snipped crap

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Visit physics911.org for more info. Most of the info on this site comes from
physics professors at respectable US institutions.

Pure horse shit. Ever seen a 747 crash? There is nothing but a gash in the
ground and debris. Pentagon theory is crap. It happened and it wasn't a
government plot. Get real.

Post by Amelia M. Samples
It didn't ruin my day when saddam was caught, I just don't think it was
worth over $100bn and the loss of life on both sides.

Short sighted limited view of the world. Sad.
Besides, there is NO

Based on available intel democrats and republicans called for Saddam's head.
After Clinton gutted intelligence it's a wonder we could reconstitute it as
fast as we did.
You are the one that needs to

Post by Amelia M. Samples
read your history. Did you know that FDR knew the Japanese fleet was
steaming for Pearl Harbour and he recalled the Pacific fleet, without
warning the commanders?

Proof?
The codes had been broken. The messages had been

Post by Amelia M. Samples
intercepted. Yet, the fleet was hung out to dry. The US government is not
lily-white by any stretch of the imagination.

bill

2003-12-22 07:25:00 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Visit airdisaster.com. There are plenty of crash photos that leave
unless they've been burned. Go back to your two minute hate...and I'll await
my plane ticket.

Sad, gloomy world for you isn't it?
No flights to Cuba.
Your remaining choices are greased rail and a pair of flippers.

Emi M Briet

2003-12-23 05:27:23 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I have plenty of facts on my side.

snipped crap

In other words, the tech talk was too much for you to understand....

--Emi

bill

2003-12-23 14:10:56 UTC

Post by Emi M Briet

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I have plenty of facts on my side.

snipped crap

In other words, the tech talk was too much for you to understand....
--Emi

Now you did it. You're gonna get a mark.

Walter Driedger

2003-12-22 18:23:54 UTC

Post by bill
Must have ruined your day when Saddam was discovered.

Once again, why such BS statements? The only supporter of the vicious
bastard was the USA itself, when it suited them. YOU provided the military
support. YOU provided the chemicals he used to make the poison gas. And it
was the CIA who taught him how to evade capture. Good job wasn't it?

The right wing bastards of all sides support each other. Sharon vs. Arafat;
where would one be without the other? Bush vs. Saddam. Oh well, it's a
risky game sometimes one side loses. I sure hope it isn't the USA. I'm
afraid we do need you, I just wish you didn't screw up so often. Improving
your listening skills would go along way.

Walter.

bill

2003-12-22 22:35:27 UTC

Post by bill
Must have ruined your day when Saddam was discovered.

Why do you support him now? Help or get the hell out of the way.
We learn from our mistakes. Liberals love to repeat them expecting
different results.

Post by Walter Driedger
The right wing bastards of all sides support each other. Sharon vs. Arafat;
where would one be without the other? Bush vs. Saddam. Oh well, it's a
risky game sometimes one side loses. I sure hope it isn't the USA. I'm
afraid we do need you, I just wish you didn't screw up so often. Improving
your listening skills would go along way.
Walter.

If you (collectively) got out of the car and helped push once in a while
maybe we'd listen to your shrill bleattings.
Basically America would love to tell the rest of the world to eat shit and
die. Pull everything within our borders and slam the door shut.
Europe and the middle east has been a shit hole far longer than we have
been a country.
We can't fix everything to everyones satisfaction and frankly the
ingratitude and demands are past tiresome.
We really don't give a shit but understand that we are the lone superpower
and have to do our duty.
Leadership is action - not position, and if you ain't helping make it
better then your opinion isn't worth a whole lot just now.
Assholes like you can drag up any old piece of shit, but right now we have
problems to solve and we will solve them with or without your help.
We will remember who helped.
If I was you I wouldn't expect any cake any time soon.

Walter Driedger

2003-12-23 03:11:26 UTC

Post by bill
Basically America would love to tell the rest of the world to eat shit and

die. Pull everything within our borders and slam the door shut.

That is completely evident. But you can't because it's one world and not
very large anymore.

You had the whole world on your side during the first Gulf war. You had the
whole world on your side after 9/11 and Afghanistan. Now you're pissing it
all away. Why? Because of "my way or the highway" Bush. Because of "all
who don't agree 100% are enemies." Because of attitudes like yours.

Walter.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 03:31:51 UTC

Why do you think I am currently ashamed to be an american? We took every bit
of good will the world has ever shown us and flushed it. We are turning into
the "rouge state" that Bush is always railing against, while shredding our
freedoms at home. A "policy of preemptive action" sounds like what a rouge
state does...it doesn't matter how big that state is. North Korea invades
the south tomorrow..."This is a heinous action of a rouge state"...US
invades Iraq..."YAY FOR US...AREN'T WE COOL? LOOK AT OUR NEW MOAB! SHOCK AND
AWE!" Face it, Bush supporters, the war was based on flimsy (chemical weapon
attacks could be launched within 45 minutes) and outright fabricated (Iraq
bought Yellowcake in Niger) evidence. Bush didn't "make a mistake", he
didn't "mislead", he didn't "spin", he LIED thru his teeth. QED.

Post by bill
Basically America would love to tell the rest of the world to eat shit

and

Post by bill
die. Pull everything within our borders and slam the door shut.

That is completely evident. But you can't because it's one world and not
very large anymore.
You had the whole world on your side during the first Gulf war. You had the
whole world on your side after 9/11 and Afghanistan. Now you're pissing it
all away. Why? Because of "my way or the highway" Bush. Because of

"all

Post by Walter Driedger
who don't agree 100% are enemies." Because of attitudes like yours.
Walter.

Emi M Briet

2003-12-23 05:20:41 UTC

Post by bill
We really don't give a shit but understand that we are the lone superpower
and have to do our duty.

Um....you mis-spelled 'doody'.... ;)

--Emi

bill

2003-12-22 22:54:09 UTC

Post by Walter Driedger
The right wing bastards of all sides support each other.
Walter.

Oh and Walt. You left wing bastards ever get out of your jackbooted
lockstepping destruction of anything involving standards, honor or just
plain common courtesy or sense.
You let us know. We still remember the little cuban kid snatch and the
Ruby, Waco killings, the first tower attack, etc, etc, etc.
That shit happened on your watch.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 23:33:38 UTC

uh - who was president when the first WTC attack was being planned in 1992?
hmmmm...<scratches head>
I notice you left McVeigh off of the list...don't want to implicate your
side of the fence...

Post by Walter Driedger
The right wing bastards of all sides support each other.
Walter.

bill

2003-12-23 02:20:42 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
uh - who was president when the first WTC attack was being planned in 1992?
hmmmm...<scratches head>

Carter left a pile of helo's in the desert along with hostages.
I think the weakness shown then started what we have now.

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I notice you left McVeigh off of the list...don't want to implicate your
side of the fence...

Why do we get McVeigh? We have to cop to the abortion nut.
hmmmmm
I guess we'll take him.
You DO have all those liberal democrats.

bill

2003-12-23 02:30:50 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
uh - who was president when the first WTC attack was being planned in 1992?
hmmmm...<scratches head>

Carter left a pile of helo's in the desert along with hostages.
I think the weakness shown then started what we have now.

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I notice you left McVeigh off of the list...don't want to implicate your
side of the fence...

Why do we get McVeigh? We have to cop to the abortion nut.
hmmmmm
I guess we'll take him.
You DO have all those liberal democrats.

I guess you don't. hehe

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 02:46:46 UTC

Yes, but the liberal democrats didn't blow up a building with 168 innocent
lives lost as a result. I already know what you're going to say...Waco and
Ruby Ridge - I think those acts are equally appaling. As I've said, clinton
was a slimebag too. However, if he got impeached over misusing a cigar and
then lying about it, surely Bush should be impeached for misusing the
military and lying about it...
xoxo
me

Post by Amelia M. Samples
uh - who was president when the first WTC attack was being planned in 1992?
hmmmm...<scratches head>

Carter left a pile of helo's in the desert along with hostages.
I think the weakness shown then started what we have now.

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I notice you left McVeigh off of the list...don't want to implicate your
side of the fence...

Why do we get McVeigh? We have to cop to the abortion nut.
hmmmmm
I guess we'll take him.
You DO have all those liberal democrats.

bill

2003-12-23 05:01:13 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Yes, but the liberal democrats didn't blow up a building with 168 innocent
lives lost as a result. I already know what you're going to say...Waco and
Ruby Ridge - I think those acts are equally appaling. As I've said, clinton
was a slimebag too. However, if he got impeached over misusing a cigar and
then lying about it, surely Bush should be impeached for misusing the
military and lying about it...
xoxo
me

I haven't seen the proof of that.
We might actually find something in Iraq. I think the question is still open.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 05:09:06 UTC

The inspectors are leaving in droves. The bush team has said that now it
isn't important if any weapons are found or not...it's just important that
he was thinking about them. Face it - he screwed the pooch on this one. Any
finds at this point will be highly suspect anyway...unless it's been buried
since 1991, there has been at least 8 months to plant evidence.
peace
me

I haven't seen the proof of that.
We might actually find something in Iraq. I think the question is still open.

Steve Scott

2003-12-23 20:16:27 UTC

Wrong, once more. By virtue of the inspector's report of a couple of
months ago as well as ongoing searches it looks there is ample
evidence of ongoing weapons development.

This is an area, largely desert, the size of California. There has
been years to develop underground storage facilities both
sophisticated as well as simply burying it in the sand. Remember a
month or so ago? A couple dozen MIGs were discovered buried in the
desert.

In addition it took over 6 months to find Saddam. Why would finding
WMD be any easier or happen any faster?

On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 05:09:06 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The inspectors are leaving in droves. The bush team has said that now it
isn't important if any weapons are found or not...it's just important that
he was thinking about them. Face it - he screwed the pooch on this one. Any
finds at this point will be highly suspect anyway...unless it's been buried
since 1991, there has been at least 8 months to plant evidence.
peace
me

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Yes, but the liberal democrats didn't blow up a building with 168

innocent

Post by Amelia M. Samples
lives lost as a result. I already know what you're going to say...Waco

and

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Ruby Ridge - I think those acts are equally appaling. As I've said,

clinton

Post by Amelia M. Samples
was a slimebag too. However, if he got impeached over misusing a cigar

and

Post by Amelia M. Samples
then lying about it, surely Bush should be impeached for misusing the
military and lying about it...
xoxo
me

I haven't seen the proof of that.
We might actually find something in Iraq. I think the question is still

open.

--
Though this be madness,yet there is
method in't...Shakespeare, Hamlet

Walter Driedger

2003-12-23 03:27:41 UTC

Actually I'm not particularly left wing. I'm not a bastard and I don't have
jackboots. These tended to be favored by the right wing, if I recall. As
far as the other points:

standards - I maintain a certain standard of honesty and justice. That
means not fabricating evidence to convict those who you believe ought to be
convicted even in the absence of proof. Cops go to jail for that.

honor - I do not allow myself to be forced into positions I feel are wrong
by threats of trade retaliation. Is it more honorable to make such threats?
Can the "Coalition of the willing" that were bribed and threatened be relied
on as honorable allies?

common sense - It is only common sense to expect that an invasion force will
be treated exactly as we have seen. What would you do if USA were being so
'liberated'? So would I. Whatever makes you think that other people are
different?

Just to remind again -- we were there in the first Gulf war, we are still
there in Afghanistan. It's just this time we think you would be a whole lot
better off today if you had stayed out of Iraq.

Walter.

Post by Walter Driedger
The right wing bastards of all sides support each other.
Walter.

bill

2003-12-23 04:52:04 UTC

In article <NCOFb.785713$***@pd7tw3no>, "Walter Driedger"
<***@driesmithdger.ca> wrote:
snip
It's just this time we think you would be a whole lot

Post by Walter Driedger
better off today if you had stayed out of Iraq.
Walter.

We don't. The world is safer because we went into Iraq. Qaddafi just folded
and and other countries are finally doing something about their terrorists
and the rest are wondering when it's their turn.
You sure you aren't pissed that you didn't get any of that rebuilding money?

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 05:01:47 UTC

Quaddafi "folded" so he could A) not get bombed over non-extant weapons by
the "coalition of the willing" and B) get the sanctions lifted with some
pretty words and giving up some token research. That's it...and the US/UK
governments bought it hook, line and sinker.

BTW - I just have to add...this is the most fun I've had in weeks...props to
all of you on the other side...:)
luv-n-kisses...
me

Post by Walter Driedger
snip
It's just this time we think you would be a whole lot

Post by Walter Driedger
better off today if you had stayed out of Iraq.
Walter.

John Woodgate

2003-12-23 10:05:18 UTC

I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Walter Driedger

Post by Walter Driedger
Can the "Coalition of the willing" that were bribed and threatened be relied
on as honorable allies?

I don't think Tony Blair was bribed and threatened; he went in
willingly. He has his own agenda, and cultivating the British armaments
industry may well be part of it ('We've deprived you of a customer but
we'll need to buy a lot of stuff to replace that we used up doing the
depriving.'). Another part may be that the close alliance with USA
strengthens his negotiating hand in Europe: even a notional ability to
influence Uncle Sam is something the others (France and Germany in
particular) don't have.

Steve Scott

2003-12-22 01:39:01 UTC

Do some research on the Wahabi (sometimes spelled Wahabbi) sect of
Islam. Osama bin Laden finds all the justification he needs to attack
the US AND other Arabs within it. It happens to be the Saudi state
religion. Ever wonder why so many of the 9/11 and Osama were Saudis?

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:04:38 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"

Post by Amelia M. Samples
well...as I have stated, I was using it in reference to Bush, but I have
been reconsidering. I don't want to insult the chimps...they never killed
anyone, spent hundreds of billions of dollars in idiotic pursuits, or lied
daily to the American people. Let's say for one minute that the official
story of the terror attacks is true. They don't hate us because we have
shopping malls, SUVs and Britney Spears (ok, the last one is
debatable)...they hate us because we're fucking around in their backyards.
Watch 13 days..."The big Red Dog is digging in our backyard, and we are
justified in shooting it"...they see the big red, white, and blue dog
digging in their backyard. If we went back to sensible non-interference, and
let the 3rd rate dictators of the world just fight eachother, we wouldn't
have people flying planes into buildings. As an aside, the chair of the 9/11
commission has already stated, on the record that the attacks, could have
and should have been prevented. More testimony is going to be released after
the new year. At bare minimum, that points to criminal negligence. And I'll
close with a question...Where are Iraq's WMD?

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Clinton is gone. Leave him be.

--
I'm not a vegetarian because I love
animals, I'm a vegetarian because I
hate plants.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 02:19:24 UTC

Then why maintain our alliance with Saudi Arabia and bomb Iraq and
Afghanistan?

Post by Steve Scott
Do some research on the Wahabi (sometimes spelled Wahabbi) sect of
Islam. Osama bin Laden finds all the justification he needs to attack
the US AND other Arabs within it. It happens to be the Saudi state
religion. Ever wonder why so many of the 9/11 and Osama were Saudis?
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 01:04:38 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Clinton is gone. Leave him be.

--
I'm not a vegetarian because I love
animals, I'm a vegetarian because I
hate plants.

bill

2003-12-22 03:24:38 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Then why maintain our alliance with Saudi Arabia and bomb Iraq and
Afghanistan?

We only tell our allies that kind of info.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 03:22:25 UTC

Nice comeback...;)

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Then why maintain our alliance with Saudi Arabia and bomb Iraq and
Afghanistan?

We only tell our allies that kind of info.

bill

2003-12-22 04:33:28 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Nice comeback...;)

Post by bill
We only tell our allies that kind of info.

Oh? You thought I'd hand you ammo? LOL
Scott told you and he's been disavowed till Monday.

Steve Scott

2003-12-22 03:59:31 UTC

Because the Saudis have now gotten a taste of terrorism against their
populace and are, on the face of it, making a push against the
terrorists. Because, unfortunately, eco-wackos are preventing the US
from drilling for its oil. And because oil is still the lifeblood of
our economy.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 02:19:24 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Then why maintain our alliance with Saudi Arabia and bomb Iraq and
Afghanistan?

lied

Post by Amelia M. Samples
daily to the American people. Let's say for one minute that the official
story of the terror attacks is true. They don't hate us because we have
shopping malls, SUVs and Britney Spears (ok, the last one is
debatable)...they hate us because we're fucking around in their

backyards.

and

Post by Amelia M. Samples
let the 3rd rate dictators of the world just fight eachother, we wouldn't
have people flying planes into buildings. As an aside, the chair of the

9/11

Post by Amelia M. Samples
commission has already stated, on the record that the attacks, could have
and should have been prevented. More testimony is going to be released

after

Post by Amelia M. Samples
the new year. At bare minimum, that points to criminal negligence. And

I'll

Post by Amelia M. Samples
close with a question...Where are Iraq's WMD?

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Clinton is gone. Leave him be.

--
I'm not a vegetarian because I love
animals, I'm a vegetarian because I
hate plants.

--
An error? Impossible! My modem is
error correcting.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 04:20:21 UTC

I agree that oil is the (current) lifeblood of the economy, but it's not
worth thousands of dead and billions of dollars spent. Tanks, planes, and
Humvees burn a lot of oil. Making bombs/missiles/other weapons burns a lot
of oil. The more that is used in .mil ops, the less there will be for the
civilian market. Let them drill for it, and sell it to us. It is their
country, not ours, so we have no business drilling for their oil. If I were
you, I would be more upset at the eco-whackos that don't want drilling in
ANWR or offshore rigs. We have plenty of domestic oil, we simply lack the
will to get it. And we do need to consider alternatives...H2, nukes, natgas
turbines, solar, geothermal...even if we 'nuke the ay-rabs and steal their
oil', it'll still run out someday. Happily, I likely won't be around when
that happens, but do we really want to leave that mess to our decedents?

Post by Steve Scott
Because the Saudis have now gotten a taste of terrorism against their
populace and are, on the face of it, making a push against the
terrorists. Because, unfortunately, eco-wackos are preventing the US
from drilling for its oil. And because oil is still the lifeblood of
our economy.

<snip>

bill

2003-12-22 04:36:48 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I agree that oil is the (current) lifeblood of the economy, but it's not
worth thousands of dead and billions of dollars spent. Tanks, planes, and
Humvees burn a lot of oil. Making bombs/missiles/other weapons burns a lot
of oil. The more that is used in .mil ops, the less there will be for the
civilian market. Let them drill for it, and sell it to us. It is their
country, not ours, so we have no business drilling for their oil. If I were
you, I would be more upset at the eco-whackos that don't want drilling in
ANWR or offshore rigs. We have plenty of domestic oil, we simply lack the
will to get it. And we do need to consider alternatives...H2, nukes, natgas
turbines, solar, geothermal...even if we 'nuke the ay-rabs and steal their
oil', it'll still run out someday. Happily, I likely won't be around when
that happens, but do we really want to leave that mess to our decedents?

Do you have any idea how much oil the planet has that we know of and how
long it's projected to last?
It involves facts. Be careful.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 05:04:10 UTC

I've read that we are either at peak oil, or will be there by 2010 at the
latest. Once it takes more energy to get it out of the ground than the
energy contained in the oil, the deposit is dead. Would you spend $2 for a
$1 bill? After reading many of your replies, may I hazard a guess? Do you
listen to Rush Limbaugh or Michael Savage? I listen to Rush too...keep your
friends close and your enemies even closer.
Love,
me

Do you have any idea how much oil the planet has that we know of and how
long it's projected to last?
It involves facts. Be careful.

bill

2003-12-22 07:21:12 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I've read that we are either at peak oil, or will be there by 2010 at the
latest.

Triple the yearly worldwide consumption and we will still have enough oil
100 years from now.
1,000 years for natual gas. Got this from a geologist who's been there done
that worldwide.

After reading many of your replies, may I hazard a guess? Do you

Post by Amelia M. Samples
listen to Rush Limbaugh or Michael Savage? I listen to Rush too...keep your
friends close and your enemies even closer.
Love,
me

I listen to Rush. I read alot.
You have to learn the enemy way of thinking. Sharpens the arguement.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 14:03:58 UTC

I thought you listened to Rush. Try Savage...you might like him. ;)

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I've read that we are either at peak oil, or will be there by 2010 at the
latest.

Triple the yearly worldwide consumption and we will still have enough oil
100 years from now.
1,000 years for natual gas. Got this from a geologist who's been there done
that worldwide.
After reading many of your replies, may I hazard a guess? Do you

Post by Amelia M. Samples
listen to Rush Limbaugh or Michael Savage? I listen to Rush too...keep your
friends close and your enemies even closer.
Love,
me

I listen to Rush. I read alot.
You have to learn the enemy way of thinking. Sharpens the arguement.

John Woodgate

2003-12-22 14:20:00 UTC

I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
<***@georgebush.visi.com> wrote (in <iRCFb.156954$***@twister.r
dc-kc.rr.com>) about 'Politics was VIRUS exgirl_friend...', on Mon, 22

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I thought you listened to Rush. Try Savage...you might like him. ;)

You mean Lily Savage?

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 16:02:46 UTC

No - Michael Weiner AKA Savage (I guess he didn't like his old name) - the
guy that got kicked off MSNBC. An hour or 2 of him would make a great test
for seizure medication...if you don't have a grand mal after that, it works.

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
dc-kc.rr.com>) about 'Politics was VIRUS exgirl_friend...', on Mon, 22

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I thought you listened to Rush. Try Savage...you might like him. ;)

You mean Lily Savage?
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Walter Driedger

2003-12-22 18:26:12 UTC

Post by bill
You have to learn the enemy way of thinking. Sharpens the arguement.

Why must everything be in terms of enemies? The day will come when you will
need your friends. By that time you will have pissed off everybody. And so
unnecessary.

Walter

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 18:27:09 UTC

Typical right wing thinking. Us vs. Them. Good vs. Evil. After all,
according to one of our high ranking .mil officers, we are actually fighting
Satan in Iraq. What happened to separation of church and state?
"Take it outside, God Boy"
Superintendent Chalmers to Ned Flanders.

Post by bill
You have to learn the enemy way of thinking. Sharpens the arguement.

Why must everything be in terms of enemies? The day will come when you will
need your friends. By that time you will have pissed off everybody. And so
unnecessary.
Walter

Ioannis

2003-12-22 19:00:29 UTC

...After all,
according to one of our high ranking .mil officers, we are actually fighting
Satan in Iraq.

That's a well perpetrated hoax. Besides, that was my name very long time ago
and I can assure you I have no plans to overthrow God or anyone, anymore. I
currently reside in Crete, am a humble computer and system's specialist at
the local U and I am patiently going through my list of infinite
incarnations, which had been determined as my punishment after the First
Fall (tm) by the Most High.

Times have changed. I am now a devout Christian, going by the name of
"Johannes", leading a peaceful life and enjoying the outdoors, my
girlfriend, my dog, good music, the arts, science and good food. I collect
lightbulbs for a hobby and I don't do contracts anymore. The last time I've
been to Baghdad was over 2,000 years ago.

All else is speculation.
--
Ioannis Galidakis
http://users.forthnet.gr/ath/jgal/
------------------------------------------
Eventually, _everything_ is understandable

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 05:05:05 UTC

Overthrowing God...has anyone read The Jehova Contract? Great fun book...
Peace
me

Post by Amelia M. Samples

...After all,
according to one of our high ranking .mil officers, we are actually

fighting

Satan in Iraq.

That's a well perpetrated hoax. Besides, that was my name very long time ago
and I can assure you I have no plans to overthrow God or anyone, anymore. I
currently reside in Crete, am a humble computer and system's specialist at
the local U and I am patiently going through my list of infinite
incarnations, which had been determined as my punishment after the First
Fall (tm) by the Most High.
Times have changed. I am now a devout Christian, going by the name of
"Johannes", leading a peaceful life and enjoying the outdoors, my
girlfriend, my dog, good music, the arts, science and good food. I collect
lightbulbs for a hobby and I don't do contracts anymore. The last time I've
been to Baghdad was over 2,000 years ago.
All else is speculation.
--
Ioannis Galidakis
http://users.forthnet.gr/ath/jgal/
------------------------------------------
Eventually, _everything_ is understandable

bill

2003-12-22 22:18:42 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Typical right wing thinking. Us vs. Them. Good vs. Evil. After all,
according to one of our high ranking .mil officers, we are actually fighting
Satan in Iraq.

Nah, we learned demonization from liberals. Sucks to see others use your
tactics eh?

Post by Amelia M. Samples
What happened to separation of church and state?
"Take it outside, God Boy"
Superintendent Chalmers to Ned Flanders.

We don't have a state religion. Never have. We do have a country founded
upon principals liberals want to kill.

Look at your money. Who do you trust?

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 22:44:37 UTC

Oh - come on now. The tactic far predates either political party in the
US...
hugs-n-kisses...
me

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Typical right wing thinking. Us vs. Them. Good vs. Evil. After all,
according to one of our high ranking .mil officers, we are actually fighting
Satan in Iraq.

Nah, we learned demonization from liberals. Sucks to see others use your
tactics eh?

Post by Amelia M. Samples
What happened to separation of church and state?
"Take it outside, God Boy"
Superintendent Chalmers to Ned Flanders.

We don't have a state religion. Never have. We do have a country founded
upon principals liberals want to kill.
Look at your money. Who do you trust?

bill

2003-12-22 23:01:05 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Oh - come on now. The tactic far predates either political party in the
US...
hugs-n-kisses...
me

Liberals elevated it to personal distruction politics ala Clinton.
The rules for radicals came from 60's liberals. The Clinton adminitration
operated by it.
The DNC adopted it and and we learned from it on the sharp end.
Now we want you to feel your own pain.
...As often as possible.

xoxo
:)

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 23:42:54 UTC

I didn't like clinton either. Where did you get the impression that I was a
democrat? He was a corrupt, socialist, gun grabbing bastard. I want LIBERTY,
not big government tyranny. Clinton wanted big govenment by expanding every
social program under the sun and grabbing our guns. Bush sold out and wants
big government in the form of .mil spending and vast expansion of domestic
spy agency powers. Government is EVIL, no matter who is in charge. By strict
interpretation, the government can't do most of what it's doing. It simply
isn't in the constitution. Remember the constitution? It says what the
federal gov. can do, and if it isn't there, it was supposed to be left to
the "several states". Your guys are just as guilty as their guys.
xxooxxoo :)

Post by Amelia M. Samples
Oh - come on now. The tactic far predates either political party in the
US...
hugs-n-kisses...
me

Spehro Pefhany

2003-12-22 23:55:38 UTC

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:42:54 GMT, the renowned "Amelia M. Samples"

Post by Amelia M. Samples
I didn't like clinton either. Where did you get the impression that I was a
democrat? He was a corrupt, socialist, gun grabbing bastard. I want LIBERTY,
not big government tyranny. Clinton wanted big govenment by expanding every
social program under the sun and grabbing our guns. Bush sold out and wants
big government in the form of .mil spending and vast expansion of domestic
spy agency powers. Government is EVIL, no matter who is in charge. By strict
interpretation, the government can't do most of what it's doing. It simply
isn't in the constitution. Remember the constitution? It says what the
federal gov. can do, and if it isn't there, it was supposed to be left to
the "several states". Your guys are just as guilty as their guys.
xxooxxoo :)

A libertarian. Yay!

Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany

--
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Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers: http://www.speff.com

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 23:57:49 UTC

That's me...
:)

Post by Spehro Pefhany
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 23:42:54 GMT, the renowned "Amelia M. Samples"

A libertarian. Yay!
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"

http://www.trexon.com
http://www.speff.com

bill

2003-12-23 02:23:27 UTC

I agree with all that.

bill

2003-12-22 22:13:29 UTC

Post by bill
You have to learn the enemy way of thinking. Sharpens the arguement.

Why must everything be in terms of enemies? The day will come when you will
need your friends. By that time you will have pissed off everybody. And so
unnecessary.
Walter

I didn't define the fight. I picked a side and joined it.

Walter Driedger

2003-12-23 03:02:45 UTC

Post by bill
You have to learn the enemy way of thinking. Sharpens the arguement.

Why must everything be in terms of enemies? The day will come when you will
need your friends. By that time you will have pissed off everybody.

And so

Post by Walter Driedger
unnecessary.
Walter

I didn't define the fight. I picked a side and joined it.

My point exactly. Bar room brawl mentality.

bill

2003-12-23 04:58:29 UTC

Post by bill
I didn't define the fight. I picked a side and joined it.

My point exactly. Bar room brawl mentality.

You bitch alot. Got any solutions?
Were doing the best we can. Help or get out of the way.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 05:02:47 UTC

That's turning into a refrain...maybe you should take up pop
songwriting...;)
luv
me

Post by bill
I didn't define the fight. I picked a side and joined it.

My point exactly. Bar room brawl mentality.

You bitch alot. Got any solutions?
Were doing the best we can. Help or get out of the way.

bill

2003-12-23 05:07:17 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
That's turning into a refrain...maybe you should take up pop
songwriting...;)
luv
me

I like solutions. Bitching doesn't get anything done.
He says he knows better. I'm all ears.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 05:10:12 UTC

I like solutions too...I just think there may have been a better solution to
this one than thousands of tons of ordnance.
peace
me

Post by Amelia M. Samples
That's turning into a refrain...maybe you should take up pop
songwriting...;)
luv
me

I like solutions. Bitching doesn't get anything done.
He says he knows better. I'm all ears.

John Woodgate

2003-12-23 06:32:23 UTC

I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
<***@georgebush.visi.com> wrote (in <X%PFb.185351$***@twister.r
dc-kc.rr.com>) about 'Politics was VIRUS exgirl_friend...', on Tue, 23

Post by Amelia M. Samples
That's turning into a refrain...maybe you should take up pop
songwriting...;)

It's turning into pop song writing. Maybe they should refrain. (;-)

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 13:13:45 UTC

LOL...

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
dc-kc.rr.com>) about 'Politics was VIRUS exgirl_friend...', on Tue, 23

Post by Amelia M. Samples
That's turning into a refrain...maybe you should take up pop
songwriting...;)

It's turning into pop song writing. Maybe they should refrain. (;-)
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Steve Scott

2003-12-22 13:38:45 UTC

You miss the point. Ultimately this is about terrorism. You think
Osama will be a happy camper if we slink back to the US and stay
within our borders? We tried that with Germany (twice) and Japan.
Didn't work.

Geez, "stealing their oil"? Give me a break. We haven't and we
won't. The Iraqis get whatever the market value is and don't make the
mistake of thinking it's getting loaded onto tankers an all being
shipped over here.

You need to deal with the NIMBYs and eco-wackos to get nukes, solar,
wind or conventional drilling.

Nonetheless, it doesn't appear to me that reducing our dependence on
foreign oil will stop terrorists any time soon. They need to be dealt
with directly. And countries that support terrorism need to be dealt
with directly as well if they don't change their ways.

On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:20:21 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"

<snip>

--
Hypochondria is the only disease I
haven't got.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 14:22:15 UTC

ah - we provoked Japan into attacking with the embargo, and then let them
fly in and do it...the government wanted to get us into the war...before PH,
most citizens didn't want to have anything to do with it...my point is if
the US stops acting like a schoolyard bully, the other kids on the
playground will stop figuring out ways to give it a black eye...psych 101.

Post by Steve Scott
You miss the point. Ultimately this is about terrorism. You think
Osama will be a happy camper if we slink back to the US and stay
within our borders? We tried that with Germany (twice) and Japan.
Didn't work.
Geez, "stealing their oil"? Give me a break. We haven't and we
won't. The Iraqis get whatever the market value is and don't make the
mistake of thinking it's getting loaded onto tankers an all being
shipped over here.
You need to deal with the NIMBYs and eco-wackos to get nukes, solar,
wind or conventional drilling.
Nonetheless, it doesn't appear to me that reducing our dependence on
foreign oil will stop terrorists any time soon. They need to be dealt
with directly. And countries that support terrorism need to be dealt
with directly as well if they don't change their ways.
On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:20:21 GMT, "Amelia M. Samples"

<snip>

--
Hypochondria is the only disease I
haven't got.

Walter Driedger

2003-12-22 18:41:59 UTC

Post by Steve Scott
Nonetheless, it doesn't appear to me that reducing our dependence on
foreign oil will stop terrorists any time soon. They need to be dealt
with directly. And countries that support terrorism need to be dealt
with directly as well if they don't change their ways.

Right. And that is why Iraq was such a stupid side trip. Why stir up a
hornet's nest when you are trying to kill a snake in the grass?

The Europeans have been warning about terrorism for years but good old USA
wouldn't listen. US airport security was the worst on Earth. I was amazed
to see Hari Krishnas wandering around the international departure lounge at
LAX. It was USA that allowed two dozen guys with 4" knives onto aircraft on
a single day. (There were more than just the four flights. Some were
prevented by the fast clamp down.)

There have been terrorist attacks around the world long before 9/11. The US
believed it was superior to the rest of the world. It was US that supported
Iraq, Saudi Arabia and the Taliban long after the rest of the world said to
be careful. Now they are the experts!

There was a medieval entertainment called bear baiting that is very
instructive. A barrel covered with outward pointing nails was hung from a
tree. The bear was provoked at it and naturally go hurt. The bear got so
infuriated that he attacked the barrel until it (the bear, naturally) got
killed. That is the nightmare that I have about US involvement in Iraq.

Walter.

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-22 23:57:12 UTC

"> a single day. (There were more than just the four flights. Some were

Post by Walter Driedger
prevented by the fast clamp down.)

It's amazing how our Fourth Estate has buried that story...just like the 5
celebrating Israelis they arrested that turned out to be Mossad.
"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you
about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
-- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy
ring and its connections to 9-11.
and before anyone calls me an anti-semite:
Disclaimer:
My criticism is directed specifically at the actions of the government of
Israel. Not against Jewish people or Judaism. Israel is a nation like any
other, and is subject to criticism. And BTW, why does no one make a fuss
over their nuclear weapons?

Paul Hovnanian P.E.

2003-12-23 02:25:00 UTC

Post by Amelia M. Samples
"> a single day. (There were more than just the four flights. Some were

Post by Walter Driedger
prevented by the fast clamp down.)

That's just conspiracy theorists overactive imagination. Israel would
never risk involvement in something like the 9/11 attacks. They don't
have to. Why bother when they can remind U.S. politicians of the
political strength of their constituency in this country? And whisper
some mumbo jumbo into the ears of some Christian fanatics about how this
is all prophecy anyway.

Post by Amelia M. Samples
My criticism is directed specifically at the actions of the government of
Israel. Not against Jewish people or Judaism. Israel is a nation like any
other, and is subject to criticism. And BTW, why does no one make a fuss
over their nuclear weapons?

Because they don't want questions answered about who gave them the
technology.

--
Paul Hovnanian mailto:***@Hovnanian.com
note to spammers: a Washington State resident
------------------------------------------------------------------
"I bet the human brain is a kludge." -- Marvin Minsky

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 02:46:46 UTC

Post by Paul Hovnanian P.E.

ummm...Fox News is a "conspiarcy theorist" news source? After all...they are
"Fair and Balanced"...;)
I agree with the undue influence that they hold in our government....after
all, Clinton got in a lot of hot water for taking Chinese money by
proxy...methinks the same should be applied to the current crop. Either
foreign money is legal or it's not. (it isn't - regardless of who does the
laundry).
"Actually they're Omnitouch's treasures now...we bought them during the last
budget crisis. Uncle Sam needs to spend our tax dollars on important things
like pro-tobacco programs, anti-tobacco programs, shooting wild doggies, and
Israel"
5 points to the first response with the correct source of the quote. ;)

Post by Amelia M. Samples
"> a single day. (There were more than just the four flights. Some were

Post by Walter Driedger
prevented by the fast clamp down.)

Because they don't want questions answered about who gave them the
technology.
--
note to spammers: a Washington State resident
------------------------------------------------------------------
"I bet the human brain is a kludge." -- Marvin Minsky

John Woodgate

2003-12-23 06:33:44 UTC

I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
<***@georgebush.visi.com> wrote (in <sxLFb.183443$***@twister.rd
c-kc.rr.com>) about 'Politics was VIRUS exgirl_friend...', on Mon, 22

Post by Amelia M. Samples
And BTW, why does no one make a fuss
over their nuclear weapons?

Because we trust them not to use them to our disadvantage?

Amelia M. Samples

2003-12-23 13:22:56 UTC

Misplaced trust if ever there was such a thing. Ever read of the Samson
Option? That could get quite a few US and European visitors/embassy
personnel/others killed, and then what's to stop India from going nuclear
against Pakistan? Israel is the only state with nukes in that area of the
world...and I don't trust Sharon any further than I could throw him. They
are pretty good at false flag ops too...remember Mossad's own motto - "By
Way Of Deception, Thou Shalt Do War". Here's what the USSAMS had to say
about them...
http://www.complete911timeline.org/2001/washingtontimes091001.html
True, it says "very unlikely to fire on American forces", but if they go
nuclear...

Post by John Woodgate
I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Amelia M. Samples
c-kc.rr.com>) about 'Politics was VIRUS exgirl_friend...', on Mon, 22

Post by Amelia M. Samples
And BTW, why does no one make a fuss
over their nuclear weapons?

Because we trust them not to use them to our disadvantage?
--
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Don Ocean

2003-12-23 18:23:07 UTC

Why is this off-topic subject in the sci groups?

Post by Amelia M. Samples
The smirking chimp refers to the esteemed pResident of the US.

Clinton is gone. Leave him be.

John Woodgate

2003-12-23 19:43:18 UTC

I read in sci.engr.electrical.compliance that Don Ocean

Post by Don Ocean
Why is this off-topic subject in the sci groups?

It's what happens on Usenet. Relax and just don't open any posts in
threads you are not interested in.

Seasonal greetings.

Peter Lowrie

2003-12-19 21:41:38 UTC

Post by Grinder
All it takes is one idiot to open the attachment, infect his computer and
send out a few hundred e-mails an hour for a month or so.

All of those scripts are written to insert trojans on MS Windows machines.
The simple solution is to ditch windows in favour of Linux.

--
Peter E. Lowrie
<http://www.geocities.com/peterlowrie>
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Paul Hovnanian P.E.

2003-12-22 04:36:51 UTC